Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. I am sorry the meaning of nonsense evades you like the facts of the case in this instance. I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. I also wish that Dianes children have a great life. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. It was pitch black outside. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. They should have left her alone. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. No. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. 6. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? But in this case, she had no blood on her body or her clothing. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). There were many problems with her trial and that matters. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. Wasnt he the stranger? Her husband James Krauseneck was charged with her murder in November of this year. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. statement regarding the effects of the childrens medications while in hospital should acknowledge where the blogger obtained information about the side effects.). If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. Yet in their mind, she was already guilty. If it doesnt matter to you, it should. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. I think u need to read the facts. Lets not take that lightly. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. I lived through the media coverage. Her three small children, Christie, 8; Cheryl, 7; and Danny, 3 . Where to begin? They came up with an explanation as to why this was the wrong gun but the jig was up. Conflict of interest on steroids!! a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. Problem with that is Diane has said during an interview with detectives that the sketch looks nothing like what she described. She attacked her husband and ripped his neck open in a jealous rage (Appendix 81, page 1520), tearing from his neck the gold chain he still wore from his first marriage (a gift from his first wife). Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. That is pure bullshit. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. If she was such a manipulative person, she would not be in prison for life, would she? (He WAS shot in the back remember). Halo 4. Very little is definitively known in this area. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. You are right. Seems like she was her worst enemy. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. The woman shot her children. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. And of course, she added her own brand of paranoia, which is to be expected considering her personality disorder and what she went through. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. Not giving you free reign here. She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. When your goal is to call me dude, insult my name and trash my blog, you can go on other sites who will love to spar with you while swallowing the old narrative of high profile cases. I cant believe that it was allowed to happen, actually. Makes no difference to me. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. View theaffidavits. There is only one major problem with your scenario. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. I am just curious. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. She is still in prison. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. No matter how horrible people think she is. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. I dont know the woman. Mr. Jagger read the report and said, you were right. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. Not speculative? Diane Downs was convicted because she didn't appear "sorry enough" during her TV appearances. The endorsement was so strong, in fact, that some interpreted it as a roundabout trade request. 2) You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane. Brewer changed his mind. Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. It was not unlike brainwashing. Instead, they treated the Downs with great cruelty long after their daughter was incarcerated and they fought hard for them. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. You can believe what you like. What they did to her daughter is unconscionable. Its a fact. How.. they attacked him. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. Agreed. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. Cathleen was murdered in Feb. 1982 in her home in Brighton. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. Steve knew Danny was not his biological child and left Downs. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. That is not a quick process and is very invasive to a familys privacy. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. Dr. Obrecht Learns if She's a Bone Marrow Match for Willow Plus, Nikolas' Whereabouts Are Revealed. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. They were put in an impossible situation. lol. For the upcoming Halo TV show, original Master Chief voice actor Steve Downes was recast, despite Cortana voice actor Jen Taylor reprising her role from the iconic video game franchise. During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. I am not biased. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. Lise,,,,, yes you did. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December She has been in prison for so long that we dont know what her mental health situation is so it is a moot point for me. At the time, among 49 prisoners denied parole, the board had given only four inmates, including Downs, a 10-year wait. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. Are we to believe that Proctors second gun was stolen with the bill and ID from the first gun that remained listed at the gun store? And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. After all, she was conditioned this way. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Steven and Diane married on November 13, 1973. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. Was that Annes fault as well? Thanks again. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. Many attribute the conviction of Downs to the arrival of author Ann Rule at Downs' trial. I was always really bothered by that. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). The US is a very strange bird when it comes to crime and punishment. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. A very reasonable request that was rejected. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. She did it. I hope she is granted parole. Whats next? I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. No forensic evidence pointing to her, just conjecture based on how mothers should act. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation Q. To Lisa Griggs Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. This is what I try to do when I research a case that was deemed to be a slam dunk. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. I was being sarcastic. Either way, it appears to be a conflict of interest. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. The fact that the accused in this case was atypical, makes her the perfect target. Even if the nurses notes indicated countless times that the children asked for their mother and enjoyed her visits, they cut them off from the only family they knew and loved; supposedly for their own protection. That they did not test the outside of the car? Again I go back to how times were back then. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. Master Chief actor Pablo Schreiber has said he won't do an impression on the Halo TV show, suggesting he won't try to . The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? What I believe doesnt matter at all. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). The roller coaster ride had nothing to do with Diane s children and Diane knew it. If you listen to the recording, Christie clearly says I dont know who did it. She was asleep, thats why. Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . She was still trying to extricate herself from a bad relationship with Steve Downs and was in no hurry to repeat the mistake. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. He actually was the one who suggested theybecome intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. A slightly humorous observation is that you said, and others have, that James Haynes physically resembled the sketch.. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. The kids were shorted-changed. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? Wow. Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. 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