The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? So wheres the problem here? When people die, sudden or expected, contents of their bowels and bladder are expelled. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) Have you interviewed anyone for your books? They probably already had an emotional conversation before she left for Phoenix and he had made up his mind to do what he did. I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. Or do they just know? He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. I have high praise for you, you are excellent at what you do. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. And she clearly WANTED the best for them, and she was still learning. Notice she was undressed when found. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. All but her office. I was terrified gravity would wreck my boobs. I think he came up behind her as she was getting ready for bed, after her long trip, and he put her in a choke hold then. Areas of bruising, external. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. They said they found paper bags around both her hands. The next morning, visible fingerprints (the circular marks on Shaanns autopsy), so visible that others took notice. A trillion to bullshit thats what they are!!! For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. He dug the grave with a shovel. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. Just a suggestion. he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Utter Rubbish! @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. It would be tiring to lug it upstairs and she might not have wanted to make any noise. I think he snapped, pulled her off of Cece punched her in the face to knock her out and then strangled her with one hand. How did Shanann Watts die? The mark on his neck might have been from Bella; Shanann had really long nails. With that much free time in the day, she could have gotten a part-time job and brought home real money. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. He was asleep. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. After that, then everything started going bad and stressing him out. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. So what are you saying? Maybe body positioning and gravity? I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). I would put the blame on Chris! She strangled them.. The ground was visible disturbed. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. Wow, you are really reaching here. I didnt know what else to do. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. Celestes stomach was empty. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. They were out of town and it was still spotless. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. But considering she seemed to be an amazing mother, I highly doubt she was drinking. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? Carol, I think you are absolutely spot on, and on all points too. Did you live with them? How dare you blame the victim? Shanann was in there with her on top of her. could also suggest a Stranglehold. I feel like maybe she did meet them. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. They are finger prints from his hands. They were smothered. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. No sign of that either. But legally it was in Chriss name. They didnt do date nights. This was the last time she was seen alive. Talk to first reponders or health care workers. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. So that indicates perhaps that she and Bella were murdered around the same time as Shanann Im guessing. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. Death by asphyxiation in each case. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. He in cold-heart and with much caluculation waited for her to return Shanann did not stand a chance! In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. I have NO doubt that CW did a choke-hold on his wife from behind or right side, rendering her unconscious while smothering her airwayshe never woke upis why she didnt struggle or stop him. I am not saying he touched the purse. The Netflix show details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her, a fact she spilled to numerous friends in anguished text messages. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. Info released has stated she had some suitcases still packed, in her bedroom, from the SC trip, and there were other things (like her purses being messy) that just keeps chipping away at true, almost disabling sort of OCD tendencies. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. Jami, doesnt make sense. x, Ive said this before. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. You get to know the people involved in a criminal investigation pretty well after writing 4 x 30 000+ word narratives. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. This dog did not find any place of interest (both seemed to be keen on searching by the basement bed) He may not of been able to face their killings but if he was distant, cold, towards her, like the reports say, he wouldnt of had a problem killing her by strangulation if he was emotionally distant. Late stage of pregnant. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE. She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. stop, stop. . No screams were heard in the middle of the night. Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? Makes me so sick. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. Its completely obvious from videos that the wife was a nut job, self absorbed, controlling weirdo that undermined her husband constantly..so leave her ass!! These people cant tell the truth about anything. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? He was all over the house. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. Like someone took over his body. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. > Most do not, really? Its definately not most. Ditto who died first and last. Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! Page 535 He knew that he would be at those oil tanks by himself that morning. Nor did any part of whats left of a moral consciousness scream what are you doing?!!! In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. I lived with one. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. police fileA picture Shanann sent a friend. Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. The money was going somewhere, and the ultimate location all points to ShanAnn the expensive preschool for their girls while ShanAnn quit work to be a stay-at-home mom (she could have been taking care of them herself during the day instead of paying top dollar for strangers to); the Leona Helmsley-level of excessive expensive shoes; that trip to Arizona (which ShanAnn had to pay for) when they were in such a dire financial disaster (credit cards all maxxed out) in service to her MLM; the expensive leased car whose payments werent guaranteed to be paid by the MLM company; all those manicures (those aint cheap) and so on and so forth. He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. So what Was his motivation for that? Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. Kinda odd. I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. I agree. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. Mark, that is really interesting! And the life insurance policies out on the 3 girls, not sure Nico yet, was not very much at all. Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. Why does there always gotta be one of those? He is a monster. Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. She loved her kids more than he did, obviously!! They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. Same with NK. He said he was downstairs, came back up and they were gone. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. Neither of them passed any body fluids. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. 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